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From: D Walford on 5 Jun 2010 19:28 On 5/06/2010 11:18 PM, Deevo wrote: > "D Walford"<dwalford(a)internode.on.net> wrote in message > news:4c08406d$0$28648$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >> On 4/06/2010 8:16 AM, PHATRS wrote: >>> I guess you guys heard the premier got a bunch of "important" people >>> together to try to find a solution to the increasing road toll, just the >>> other day? >>> >>> Well, the outcome is that they want speed limiters in all vehicles. >> >> The newspaper report I read said they want speed limiters on vehicles >> driven by repeat offenders, where do you read/hear that they wanted them >> on all vehicles? > > It isn't much of a reach really. > >> When they first introduced limiters on heavy trucks it was only for repeat >> offenders but it didn't take long to be mandated for all heavy trucks, its >> been almost 20yrs since they were made compulsory. > > Precisely, legislation instead of education. The problem there is that the > more prevalent the driver aids on the vehicle the less qualified the driver > needs to be to operate them. Personally I would prefer to see better > drivers before we have "safer" cars (I use sarcastic quote marks here). Most of us here agree but it seems that that concept is too difficult for those in Govt to comprehend. Daryl
From: Toby on 5 Jun 2010 19:41 On Sat, 5 Jun 2010 13:16:50 +0000 (UTC), hippo wrote: > Toby wrote: >> >> On Sat, 05 Jun 2010 18:32:46 +1000, John_H wrote: >> >>> By far the most common posted limit in Qld towns and cities. As was >>> the case in NSW last time I was there. >> >> Yeah - well, the 50 zones aren't posted. It's the default. >> Pretty soon, the 90 Highway zones won't be posted either. >> >> -- >> >> Toby >> >> > > Selected urban through routes are 60. The default in built up areas > statewide has been 50 for around five years IIRC. There are also numerous > 40, 25 & 15 permanent zones around Sydney at least. > > 70 & 90 zones came in when Bruce Baird was Transport Minister in the 80s. > There has been talk for some years (and particularly in recent times) of > doing away with them to 'avoid confusion'. There has been similar talk > about getting rid of 110 zones. You can bet your boots that if they do any > of this, none of the limits will go up! I was alluding to the 'sore loser' concept. When we went to metric, there was a brigade strength anal retentive group that 'insisted' we get 50 Built-up and 90 Highway - NOT the 60 and 100 we ended up with. As with all things these types push at us, when lost, the campaign is simply re-started by the core arseholes in the group - and as we can clearly see, they have indeed managed to get the 50 urban default set up just like they wanted all those years ago. The truly amazing thing is that the good fight was carried out through literally generations of the fuckers wheedling themselves into positions of importance. Naturally, they're beavering away on the 90 default for the bush as we speak. This is part of the deal with our GovCo system where those pushing an issue get much more attention and eventually a win at the expense of the rest of us who simply want to go about our lawful occasions unencumbered by GovCo stupidity and generally fucked statutes designed to smack us down for what can only be described as victimless crime. The anal retentives are 'on a roll' these days. Being what they are, they're quite the biggest problem society has to deal with at the moment, in all sorts of ways. Of course, any and all ways available to the community at large to put these AR's down are illegal. Almost by definition. -- Toby
From: D Walford on 5 Jun 2010 21:53 On 6/06/2010 9:41 AM, Toby wrote: > On Sat, 5 Jun 2010 13:16:50 +0000 (UTC), hippo wrote: > >> Toby wrote: >>> >>> On Sat, 05 Jun 2010 18:32:46 +1000, John_H wrote: >>> >>>> By far the most common posted limit in Qld towns and cities. As was >>>> the case in NSW last time I was there. >>> >>> Yeah - well, the 50 zones aren't posted. It's the default. >>> Pretty soon, the 90 Highway zones won't be posted either. >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Toby >>> >>> >> >> Selected urban through routes are 60. The default in built up areas >> statewide has been 50 for around five years IIRC. There are also numerous >> 40, 25& 15 permanent zones around Sydney at least. >> >> 70& 90 zones came in when Bruce Baird was Transport Minister in the 80s. >> There has been talk for some years (and particularly in recent times) of >> doing away with them to 'avoid confusion'. There has been similar talk >> about getting rid of 110 zones. You can bet your boots that if they do any >> of this, none of the limits will go up! > > I was alluding to the 'sore loser' concept. > When we went to metric, there was a brigade strength anal retentive group > that 'insisted' we get 50 Built-up and 90 Highway - NOT the 60 and 100 we > ended up with. > As with all things these types push at us, when lost, the campaign is > simply re-started by the core arseholes in the group - and as we can > clearly see, they have indeed managed to get the 50 urban default set up > just like they wanted all those years ago. 50 is reasonable in residential areas and so far around here at least that's all it applies to with busier roads remaining at 60. > The truly amazing thing is that the good fight was carried out through > literally generations of the fuckers wheedling themselves into positions of > importance. > Naturally, they're beavering away on the 90 default for the bush as we > speak. The "default" part is the bit that bothers me, many roads that are currently 100 zones should have lower limits but many others should be higher, IMO blanket limits don't work. Daryl
From: John_H on 5 Jun 2010 22:12 Toby wrote: >On Sat, 05 Jun 2010 18:32:46 +1000, John_H wrote: > >> By far the most common posted limit in Qld towns and cities. As was >> the case in NSW last time I was there. (60 that is.) >Yeah - well, the 50 zones aren't posted. It's the default. It's the default for built up areas in all states (NT still retains 60 AFAIK) which saves sign posting every residential street. Does anyone have a problem with that? >Pretty soon, the 90 Highway zones won't be posted either. In that case the default becomes 100 (WA & NT excepted). -- John H
From: Toby on 5 Jun 2010 22:54
On Sun, 06 Jun 2010 12:12:33 +1000, John_H wrote: > Toby wrote: >>On Sat, 05 Jun 2010 18:32:46 +1000, John_H wrote: >> >>> By far the most common posted limit in Qld towns and cities. As was >>> the case in NSW last time I was there. > > (60 that is.) > >>Yeah - well, the 50 zones aren't posted. It's the default. > > It's the default for built up areas in all states (NT still retains 60 > AFAIK) which saves sign posting every residential street. Does anyone > have a problem with that? > >>Pretty soon, the 90 Highway zones won't be posted either. > > In that case the default becomes 100 (WA & NT excepted). Nope - it'll be 90. Like I said. Soon. Place your bets. -- Toby |