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From: Sancho Panza on 15 Apr 2010 07:42 "Matthew Russotto" <russotto(a)grace.speakeasy.net> wrote in message news:GuKdnXDdzcBXgljWnZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d(a)speakeasy.net... > In article <42hrr5dl5t240hm3gqtvohp5p3ri82djr4(a)4ax.com>, > dgk <dgk(a)somewhere.com> wrote: >> >>Right, but the question is how to best deliver people where they want >>to go with the least harmful impact on the environment. Is that a bad >>goal? > > That's not a goal at all. Taken one way, it's an unsatisfiable set of > constraints. Taken another way, it's an ambiguous one. > > If you want to both "BEST deliver people where they want to go", and > "deliver people where they want to go with the least harmful impact on > the environment", it's unsatisfiable. If you want to balance delivery > with impact on the environment, it's ambiguous. > >>Hopefully electric cars are part of the solution, and the electricity >>can be produced by a cleaner method than coal. > > Not likely. In the US, a state court just ruled that a nuke > supplying 30% of the power to New York City has to shut down because > its water output is too hot. Not a court. It was the state's Department of Environmental Conservation. > Now, it's possible to produce > electricity with a minimum of conventional pollutants, and it's even > possible to produce it with a minimum of CO2 (with a nuke). But you > can't produce electricity without heat. The standards are > impossible.
From: John David Galt on 16 Apr 2010 22:51 Matthew Russotto wrote: > Not likely. In the US, a state court just ruled that a nuke > supplying 30% of the power to New York City has to shut down because > its water output is too hot. Now, it's possible to produce > electricity with a minimum of conventional pollutants, and it's even > possible to produce it with a minimum of CO2 (with a nuke). But you > can't produce electricity without heat. The standards are > impossible. If it were possible, the greens would find some other excuse to demand shutdown. Their movement isn't really about saving the earth; it's about destroying civilization because they hate humans.
From: ah on 17 Apr 2010 16:41 "N8N" <njnagel(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:61f4d10e-3f5a-45ef-96e9-3fe38300f2d1(a)x12g2000yqx.googlegroups.com... On Apr 8, 10:49 pm, Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy...(a)GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote: > dgk wrote: > > On Wed, 7 Apr 2010 19:35:52 -0700, "Stewart" <gorta...(a)gmail.com> > > wrote: > > >> <gl4...(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > >>news:gl4317-0504102327440001(a)69-30-9-110.pxd.easystreet.com... > >>> In article <68-dnfYeC5TuMyfWnZ2dnUVZ_oWdn...(a)giganews.com>, Grumpy > >>> AuContraire <Grumpy...(a)GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote: > > >>>> gl4...(a)yahoo.com wrote: > >>>>> In article <hpbj1e$m3...(a)news.eternal-september.org>, "Stewart" > >>>>> <gorta...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>>>> Left wing socialist alert! > > >>>>>> And to keep it on topic.....what type of Honda do you own? > > >>>>> Nah, we socialists only drive Volvo 240s and read > >>> misc.transport.rail.americas. > >>>>> (To which I am still trying to figure out why this thread is > >>>>> posted). > > >>>> What??? > > >>>> No Prius or Smaht Kahs??? > > >>> Ha! Those are only driven by wanna-be socialists. Too much computer > >>> technology, and made by corporations. The most advanced technology > >>> allowed near the homes of true socialists are the products of the > >>> Soviet > >>> Diesel Computer Cooperative. > > >>> -- > >>> -Glennl > >>> Please note this e-mail address is a pit of spam, and most e-mail > >>> sent to this address are simply lost in the vast mess. > >> I like the all electrics to reduce "carbon footprint". plug 'em in to > >> an outlet fed by coal burning power generation...... > > > Right, but the question is how to best deliver people where they want > > to go with the least harmful impact on the environment. Is that a bad > > goal? > > Nope, not a bad goal at all but... Any big advance in technology will > come from innovation from the private sector, not guv'ment mandate. It > always has and always will. Guv'ment is nothing but a giant > interference entity. > > > Hopefully electric cars are part of the solution, and the electricity > > can be produced by a cleaner method than coal. > > Sure, a hundred nuke plants would be a great intermediate solution until > new technologies can be developed. But no one wants such in "their" > backyard. Meh, I grew up with one in my backyard, or pretty close to it, and I turned out just fine. nate No you didn't, you diddle wit' 'dem Studebakers...! :)
From: "WindsorFox [SS]>" on 17 Apr 2010 17:56 ah wrote: >> Nope, not a bad goal at all but... Any big advance in technology will >> come from innovation from the private sector, not guv'ment mandate. It >> always has and always will. Guv'ment is nothing but a giant >> interference entity. >> >> > Hopefully electric cars are part of the solution, and the electricity >> > can be produced by a cleaner method than coal. >> >> Sure, a hundred nuke plants would be a great intermediate solution until >> new technologies can be developed. But no one wants such in "their" >> backyard. > > Meh, I grew up with one in my backyard, or pretty close to it, and I > turned out just fine. > > nate > No you didn't, you diddle wit' 'dem Studebakers...! :) So that soft, green glow has been around so long it doesn't even keep you awake does it? -- .. "You show me ONE poster who says you have even one part per million of a good name, and I'll show you a sock." - Bill "the Roadie" Carton
From: Grumpy AuContraire on 17 Apr 2010 22:53
ah wrote: > > "N8N" <njnagel(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > snip >> >> Sure, a hundred nuke plants would be a great intermediate solution until >> new technologies can be developed. But no one wants such in "their" >> backyard. > > Meh, I grew up with one in my backyard, or pretty close to it, and I > turned out just fine. > > nate > No you didn't, you diddle wit' 'dem Studebakers...! :) Yeah, but I have lotsa company! Ol' Honda Civics and Studebakers... Simple elegance.. JT |